Lee Kuan Yew tells Chen Show Mao to go back to China
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
Why is it offensive?
I am stating facts.
Like I am Hokkien chinese.
I am not ang moh.
Harry Lee Kuan Yew is hakka peranakan.
He is not chinese.
These are simply facts.
03:28:21
I have this thought that Peranakans are Malay (Muslims). I figured they were one of the different sub-divisions of Malay, for example, Javanese, Boyanese, Bugis, etc. I was surprised to find out that they are not Malay and neither were they Muslims. Peranakans consists of Malacca Peranakans, Chitty Melaka Peranakans, Chinese Peranakans, Hokkien Peranakans, Malacca Penang Peranakans, Chinese Eurasian Peranakans, Jawi Peranakans, Hakka Peranakans, Teochew Baba, West Sumatran Javanese Peranakans. The word "anak" from Peranakans mean child in Malay language. I'm wondering why is it the Peranakans are nothing like the Malays. I went to the Museum for an insight about the Peranakan beliefs and immerse myself into their culture. The Peranakans are also known as "Baba" or "Nyonya".
This was how I found out that Peranakans were made up diverse mix of culture.
The thing that is significant about the Peranakans were their abiltiy to converse in Malay language.
But their cultures, religious beliefs and practices were very much like the chinese.
From the wedding to the dining, funeral, religion, work of art, decor, etc.
Oh, their food are really spicy, just like the Malays. The "belacan" (dried shrimp paste) can be made into "kangkung belacan" originated from the peranakans. One can easily spot authentic Nyonya food in Malaysia by its cooking, Nyonya Laksa, Nyonya Chicken Curry, Nyonya Prawn Sambal or Nyonya Fried Rice. Nyonya food is in a unique gastronomic realm all of it's own - with specific and subtle nuances of tastes and flavors.
Find out, more: Nyonya Food
Nyonya cuisine is also famous for it's Kuih [cake or dessert]. Nyonya desserts are varied and extraordinary. They are strongly Malay influenced - made from local ingredients such as sweet potato, yams, agar agar, gula Melaka [palm sugar], coconut milk, glutinous rice - and Chinese ingredients such as red beans, green beans or mung beans. The ubiquitous vanilla bean used for essence is replaced by a local plant leaf Pandan or Pandanus [Screwpine leaves], giving Nyonya desserts it's signature quintessence!
This is where all the delicious food come from.
Their clothings are very much like what the Malays will wear on "Hari Raya".
If I had a choice I would like to bring back this shoe. It's so vintage!
I love this phone, I will get one of this when I move to my new home! I was hearing a conversation made by a peranakan. She was speaking in both Malay and English. She was calling her son who is in london and wants him to come home as his father is in critical condition. She felt that her son lost touch to the culture, beliefs and practices of a Peranakan, so she reminded him of home and the people he left behind to fulfill his qualifications in London.
My excursion will not end, without visiting the gallery shops selling Peranakan clothings and souvenirs.
I got myself an ear studs.
Not too sure if it is Peranakan-made, but I would like to believe that it is.
I love it.http://www.askcleo.com/index.php?option=com_idoblog&task=viewpost&id=4851&Itemid=61
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
Why is it offensive?
I am stating facts.
Like I am Hokkien chinese.
I am not ang moh.
Harry Lee Kuan Yew is hakka peranakan.
He is not chinese.
These are simply facts.
03:28:21
I have this thought that Peranakans are Malay (Muslims). I figured they were one of the different sub-divisions of Malay, for example, Javanese, Boyanese, Bugis, etc. I was surprised to find out that they are not Malay and neither were they Muslims. Peranakans consists of Malacca Peranakans, Chitty Melaka Peranakans, Chinese Peranakans, Hokkien Peranakans, Malacca Penang Peranakans, Chinese Eurasian Peranakans, Jawi Peranakans, Hakka Peranakans, Teochew Baba, West Sumatran Javanese Peranakans. The word "anak" from Peranakans mean child in Malay language. I'm wondering why is it the Peranakans are nothing like the Malays. I went to the Museum for an insight about the Peranakan beliefs and immerse myself into their culture. The Peranakans are also known as "Baba" or "Nyonya".
This was how I found out that Peranakans were made up diverse mix of culture.
The thing that is significant about the Peranakans were their abiltiy to converse in Malay language.
But their cultures, religious beliefs and practices were very much like the chinese.
From the wedding to the dining, funeral, religion, work of art, decor, etc.
Oh, their food are really spicy, just like the Malays. The "belacan" (dried shrimp paste) can be made into "kangkung belacan" originated from the peranakans. One can easily spot authentic Nyonya food in Malaysia by its cooking, Nyonya Laksa, Nyonya Chicken Curry, Nyonya Prawn Sambal or Nyonya Fried Rice. Nyonya food is in a unique gastronomic realm all of it's own - with specific and subtle nuances of tastes and flavors.
Find out, more: Nyonya Food
Nyonya cuisine is also famous for it's Kuih [cake or dessert]. Nyonya desserts are varied and extraordinary. They are strongly Malay influenced - made from local ingredients such as sweet potato, yams, agar agar, gula Melaka [palm sugar], coconut milk, glutinous rice - and Chinese ingredients such as red beans, green beans or mung beans. The ubiquitous vanilla bean used for essence is replaced by a local plant leaf Pandan or Pandanus [Screwpine leaves], giving Nyonya desserts it's signature quintessence!
This is where all the delicious food come from.
Their clothings are very much like what the Malays will wear on "Hari Raya".
If I had a choice I would like to bring back this shoe. It's so vintage!
I love this phone, I will get one of this when I move to my new home! I was hearing a conversation made by a peranakan. She was speaking in both Malay and English. She was calling her son who is in london and wants him to come home as his father is in critical condition. She felt that her son lost touch to the culture, beliefs and practices of a Peranakan, so she reminded him of home and the people he left behind to fulfill his qualifications in London.
My excursion will not end, without visiting the gallery shops selling Peranakan clothings and souvenirs.
I got myself an ear studs.
Not too sure if it is Peranakan-made, but I would like to believe that it is.
I love it.http://www.askcleo.com/index.php?option=com_idoblog&task=viewpost&id=4851&Itemid=61
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Poh Ah Pak why do you like to attack Peranakans here?
If you wear a turban you become Bhai Singh izzit?
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peranakans term was coined by colonial british people long ago.they are different from the china chinese and neither were they malays or muslims. but they have been in malay archipelago for many genberations and think n talk differently from the china chinese.
today.....most asian chinese in malay archipelago would be regarded as peranakans too.so all sporean chinese who love laksa,longtong,kuay teow etc are classed also under perankan group.they have been in the straits..they were born in the straits..they act differently from chinese...so all chinese sporeans are rightfully perankans in reality!
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For me, Chen Show Mao with his obvious capabilities and international experience can be likened to Dr Goh Keng Swee, a brilliant man who was instrumental in helming Singapore to 'success'. Naturally he'd be feared by the PAP.
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why write so long? OCBC can oreddy
Orang Cina Bukan Cina
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He is a Singaporean who did his NS.What he does outside SIngapore is his business
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Originally posted by Shorter ninja:
Poh Ah Pak why do you like to attack Peranakans here?
If you wear a turban you become Bhai Singh izzit?
I am not attacking peranakans. I am attacking Lee Kuan Yew.
The problem with Lee Kuan Yew is that he is using a fake persona, posing as a chinese when he is in fact a hakka peranakan. And he has pursued policies that have weakened chinese culture.
I think that is quite dishonest with Singapore people.
And he had said that Singapore people won't approve of a non chinese prime minister.
The problem is that both Lee Kuan Yew and his son are hakka peranakan babas.
So what right has he to make such statements?
Lee Kuan Yew and Lee Hsien Loong, both of them are not chinese, they are hakka peranakan baba.
Ong Teng Cheong: Extended interview
Around this time you were discussing the succession to PM Lee?
Lee Kuan Yew had been discussing this since about 1983. At that time, the second echelon was Tony Tan, S. Dhanabalan, Goh Chok Tong and myself.
Were you a candidate for the top job?
I was considered as a member of the group. At that time, we did not know who would be the successor to Lee. We finally made the decision to pick Goh Chok Tong. He agreed on condition that I agreed to be his number two. So I was the second DPM; he was the first DPM. In 1988, Lee asked Goh to take over, but he was not ready. He said: two more years. So two years later, he took the job.
Lee did not agree with your decision to pick Goh.
No, he did not disagree. He said he would leave it to us. His own first choice was Tony Tan. Goh Chok Tong was his second choice. I was his third choice because he said my English was not good enough. He said Dhanabalan was not right because Singapore was not ready for an Indian prime minister. That upset the Indian community. There was quite a bit of adverse reaction to what he said. But he speaks his mind. He is the only one who can get away with it.
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/000310a4.htm
He said Dhanabalan was not right because Singapore was not ready for an Indian prime minister.
That upset the Indian community. There was quite a bit of adverse reaction to what he said.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
I am not attacking peranakans. I am attacking Lee Kuan Yew.
The problem with Lee Kuan Yew is that he is using a fake persona, posing as a chinese when he is in fact a hakka peranakan. And he has pursued policies that have weakened chinese culture.
I think that is quite dishonest with Singapore people.
And he had said that Singapore people won't approve of a non chinese prime minister.
The problem is that both Lee Kuan Yew and his son are hakka peranakan babas.
So what right has he to make such statements?
Lee Kuan Yew and Lee Hsien Loong, both of them are not chinese.
Ong Teng Cheong: Extended interview
Around this time you were discussing the succession to PM Lee?
Lee Kuan Yew had been discussing this since about 1983. At that time, the second echelon was Tony Tan, S. Dhanabalan, Goh Chok Tong and myself.
Were you a candidate for the top job?
I was considered as a member of the group. At that time, we did not know who would be the successor to Lee. We finally made the decision to pick Goh Chok Tong. He agreed on condition that I agreed to be his number two. So I was the second DPM; he was the first DPM. In 1988, Lee asked Goh to take over, but he was not ready. He said: two more years. So two years later, he took the job.
Lee did not agree with your decision to pick Goh.
No, he did not disagree. He said he would leave it to us. His own first choice was Tony Tan. Goh Chok Tong was his second choice. I was his third choice because he said my English was not good enough. He said Dhanabalan was not right because Singapore was not ready for an Indian prime minister. That upset the Indian community. There was quite a bit of adverse reaction to what he said. But he speaks his mind. He is the only one who can get away with it.
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/000310a4.htm
If you say Dhanabalan is Ang Mor I say you blind
If you say the babas and Nonya are not Chinese but Malays
I say you must be 'Gila'
He said Dhanabalan was not right because Singapore was not ready for an Indian prime minister.
That upset the Indian community. There was quite a bit of adverse reaction to what he said.
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If you say the babas and Nonya are not Chinese but Malays
Nyonyas and babas, they are not chinese or malay.
They are in a group of their own.
They are peranakan.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
Nyonyas and babas, they are not chinese or malay.
They are in a group of their own.
They are peranakan.
Are we talking abt perenakan food here?
Me prefer Champok Rojak i.e. Indian rojak mixed with Chinese rojak topped with gado gado and devil's curry and hainam chicken
Make this our national dish
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Originally posted by Duraigoh:
Are we talking abt perenakan food here?
Me prefer Champok Rojak i.e. Indian rojak mixed with Chinese rojak topped with gado gado and devil's curry and hainam chicken
Make this our national dish
why dun u try my manure dish? i can make 1 specially for u -
Originally posted by Wild Ice:
why dun u try my manure dish? i can make 1 specially for u
U can make it for your own father mother. Remember to garbish with my PEANUTS! -
Originally posted by Duraigoh:
U can make it for your own father mother. Remember to garbish with my PEANUTS!
i can use his cheap peanuts to shaft in yr arse 1 by 1 -
that means peranakans are chinese settled in malaya lar isnt it.
if peranakans are not ethnically chinese, then they are mixed with chinese and malay or what?
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My foreigner collegue is on the phone all the time during work, he's always telling his realtives and friends to come to Sinkapore to work, very easy. Come, come, come.
Everytime my blood pressure shoots up.
Chen Show Mao doesn't make my blood pressure goes up, that's all I can say.
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Deal Lawyer Chen Makes Initial Offering in Singapore Elections
By - May 3, 2011Chen Show-Mao, after years of advising on deals like Agricultural Bank of China Ltd. (1288)’s $22.1 billion initial share sale, has a new type of offering in the works: His opposition-party candidacy to join Singapore’s parliament.
“We want to help you to ask the serious questions that will make our democratic system of government work better,” the head of Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP’s Beijing office told more than 20,000 people in a suburban Singapore sports stadium in his first campaign speech last week before the May 7 elections.
A victory by Chen, who is contesting as part of a Workers’ Party team in a district that elects five representatives as a group, would more than double the number of opposition seats in parliament. It would also oust Singapore’s Foreign Minister George Yeo, who is leading the People’s Action Party candidates in the constituency.
PAP co-founder Lee Kuan Yew has dubbed the 50-year-old lawyer a “celebrity” who hasn't lived in the country for decades and said voters will “repent” if they don’t elect the ruling party. The PAP’s 52-year stretch in government has made the country Asia’s richest per capita.
Opposition parties, which previously haven’t run enough candidates to prevent the PAP from returning to power on nomination day, are challenging 82 of 87 seats this year.
While analysts including Lim Jit Soon, Nomura Securities’ Singapore research head, said they expect another clear victory for the PAP, which won 67 percent of the vote in the 2006 poll and all but 2 of the seats in parliament, they said a reduced popular vote could see some policy changes.
Reviewed Policies
“If the PAP achieves a significantly reduced popular vote it may look to review some of its policies like immigration,” Lim said in a strategy note titled ‘Times they are a-changin.’
Foreigners make up 36 percent of Singapore’s 5.1 million population, up from 14 percent in 1990, boosting the economy and creating jobs for Singaporeans, the government says.
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said last month that investments such as a new $3 billion memory chip plant built by Intel Corp. and Micron Technology Inc. wouldn’t have been possible without foreign workers. Opposition parties have questioned if growth is being pursued at too high a cost by letting too many foreigners in.
“How many hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to bring in every year is enough?” Chen asked in his April 28 rally speech to roars of approval. He declined to be interviewed for this story.
‘Success Story’
Chen himself is a “success story” of Singapore’s immigration policy, Law Minister K. Shanmugam said April 29. Chen came to Singapore from Taiwan with his parents and younger sister when he was 11 in 1972. He has spent the last 30 years overseas.
He graduated with an economics degree from Harvard, won a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford and got his law doctorate from Stanford University before joining Davis Polk in New York in 1992.
PAP leaders such as organizing secretary Ng Eng Hen have asked if Chen can identify with the aspirations of Singaporeans after spending most of his life overseas.
“I’ve spent all this time abroad, but that doesn’t mean I stop being Singaporean,” he said when announcing his candidacy last week.
Chen, who took Singapore nationality in 1986 after serving in the country’s army, said living elsewhere “enhanced rather than diluted” his sense of being Singaporean.
Dealmaker
Chen’s work at Davis Polk included advising Cnooc Ltd. (883) on its $18.5 billion bid for Unocal Corp. and the global IPOs of companies including Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (601398) Ltd., Air China Ltd. (601111), China Petroleum & Chemical Corp. (600028) and China Unicom Hong Kong Ltd. (762)
The American Lawyer magazine, a trade publication, named him one of its dealmakers of 2010 for managing the Agricultural Bank IPO, which was underwritten by investment banks that included Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) and Morgan Stanley. (MS)
“In the second half of my life, I would like to give something back to my country,” Chen said at his nomination announcement, adding that he planned to relocate his wife and three children to Singapore from Beijing regardless of whether he gets elected.
Chen will be retiring from Davis Polk, Hong Kong-based partner William Barron said. “We appreciate all of his efforts at the firm and wish him all the best of luck.”
Public Service Culture
Davis Polk is a firm where public service has been part of the culture, said Anthony Root, who first met Chen when they opened the firm’s Hong Kong office in 1993.
“It’s a good thing for Singapore to have someone with his international experience, integrity and quiet wisdom offering to serve,” said Root, who now heads Asia for Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP.
Chen is putting a lot on the line, said Wilson Ang, a Singapore-based corporate lawyer who got to know him when both worked for different international firms in Hong Kong. “Politics is a rough and tumble game.”
Two lawyers with Singapore law firms who previously ran as Workers’ Party candidates have been sued for defamation by PAP leaders. A third was fined for tax evasion after the election.
Tang Liang Hong, who contested the 1997 elections, was ordered to pay a record S$8 million ($6.5 million) for defaming 11 PAP members including then Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong and Lee Kuan Yew, the father of the current premier who led the PAP to eight election victories before stepping down in 1990. The amount was later reduced to S$3.6 million.
Transparent Laws
Tang’s wife, who was named as a defendant in the lawsuits, was bankrupted and is still paying the debt, Tang said from Melbourne, where he now lives.
The PAP says Singapore’s rules and laws are transparent and rejects suggestions that it uses defamation suits to dissuade political opposition.
“It is a pattern because there is a pattern amongst the opposition leaders to accuse us of wrongdoing,” Goh said in a September 2003 interview with the BBC. “It’s a pattern for us to restore the harm that they have done to our reputation.”
At his nomination announcement, Chen said he was aware of the need to be as careful as possible in formulating his public comments.
Lee Kuan Yew, the oldest member of Singapore’s cabinet at 87, has said the ruling party would accept the loss of the Aljunied district Chen is contesting. At the same time, he added that its voters have to accept the consequences of choosing a team including a “celebrity who has been away 30 years.”
‘Live and Repent’
“If Aljunied decides to go that way, well Aljunied has five years to live and repent,” he said, adding that property values in the district may fall with the PAP government prioritizing districts it wins for improvements.
Singapore is tolerant and open enough for a voice like Chen’s, said Eduardo Ramos-Gomez, managing partner of Duane Morris LLP’s Asian offices.
“He’s committed to the cause and believes that he can present a different dialogue and view to Singapore,” said Ramos-Gomez, who has served with Chen on the advisory board of the Singapore Management University School of Law since 2007 and was Mexico’s ambassador to the city state.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
Lee Kuan Yew tells Chen Show Mao to go back to China
Ruling party is beginning to realize that LKY had not been in right conformity lately, especially on issue that he personally presumed his interest is at stake. Anyone will and might also reach an old age like him, to utter incoherently, especially so, to a founding father's hard work of building a small dot into a city of love. Be realistic, resilient, forebearance, and forgiving.
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Originally posted by Amitayus48:
Ruling party is beginning to realize that LKY had not been in right conformity lately, especially what he personally presumed his interest is at stake. Anyone will and might also reach an old age like him, to utter incoherently, especially so, to a founding father's hard work of building a small dot into a city of love. Be realistic, resilient, forebearance, and forgiving.
If one lives out of his useful life, one should step into the background and cease to be a burden to others. He has done his part in the early years of Singapore, now it's time to move to a higher plateau.
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Originally posted by Amitayus48:
Ruling party is beginning to realize that LKY had not been in right conformity lately, especially on issue that he personally presumed his interest is at stake. Anyone will and might also reach an old age like him, to utter incoherently, especially so, to a founding father's hard work of building a small dot into a city of love. Be realistic, resilient, forebearance, and forgiving.
That anglo dog bastard suppressed chinese culture and sapped the energy of the chinese community in Singapore, he must be defeated in 2016 elections.
He is just a dog of the british and the japanese, he is not fit to lead the people of Singapore.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
That anglo dog bastard suppressed chinese culture and sapped the energy of the chinese community in Singapore, he must be defeated in 2016 elections.
He is just a dog of the british and the japanese, he is not fit to lead the people of Singapore.
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Originally posted by Shorter ninja:
He is a Singaporean who did his NS.What he does outside SIngapore is his business
Can show-man match BG Minister George Yeo's IQ + EQ?In fact 3 of them (incld Low Tiki & Saliva Lim) cannot match one MP Cynthia Phua.
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Originally posted by Duraigoh:
Can show-man match BG Minister George Yeo's IQ + EQ?In fact 3 of them (incld Low Tiki & Saliva Lim) cannot match one MP Cynthia Phua.
Yes, Cynthia Phua has so much EQ + IQ that she immediately report to the police to arrest the teenager so that food and shelter can be provided to the teenager in Changi.
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
Yes, Cynthia Phua has so much EQ + IQ that she immediately report to the police to arrest the teenager so that food and shelter can be provided to the teenager in Changi.
Your report chun bo? If not u will sued until u bankrupt!Do not defame MP Cynthia Phua - she has been priased by Minister George Yeo as 'the eyes and ears' of Aljunied as she's truly in toucb with the ground in Aljinied
PAP will have the last laugh in Aljunied on May 7.
Some wannabe, pretendoes will cry like shit, heart broken that day
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hmmm...