SDP's Tan: $10bn to aid manufacturing sector to shift out
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Originally posted by Elite Hitman:
THATS THE IDEA.,...AT END OF DAY THE BOX SAYS
:MADE IN SINGAPORE:
how many high-tech products can u find tat stamped "Made in Singapore"?
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NOT MUCH BUT AT LEAST THEY BUILD A BILLION BUCKS PER YEAR FROM A COUPLE OF PRODUCTION LINES.ALL THES PRODUCTS WERE DESIGNED BY PURE GENIUS WITH A GERM OF AN IDEA.
HIGH TECH PRODUCTS DUN GET DEPLOYED OVERSEAS..TOO MUCH TRADE SECRETS ON THE PRODUCTS EXPOSED TO OVERSEAS FOLKS.BUT THOSE PRODUCTS LIKE LCD TV ETC RAKE IN $$$$$.AND WITH ENVIROMENT IN SPORE ITS MUCH SAFER DOIN THE BANKING.AND THE PEOPLE IARE ABLE TO FIX MACHINERY AND DESIGN SPECIAL PROJECTS IN HOUSE ANYTIME.
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As expected his policy of reshaping this economy as service oriented is going to face a lot of resistance.
There are a lot of singaporeans in the manufacturing sector and that includes the some of you. To hear Tan Jee Say say this is a great trepidation on your perceived future. If ever this thing is to be done, it shd be gradual....people's rice bowls have to be of top priority before the graduated orientation to a service economy.
Singaporeans may not vote this guy due to his so called "drastic measures" but 10-20 years down the road, you will see that salaries of the manufacturing sector would not have increased very much. And don't be surprised if you're retrenched on a fat pay by your 40s and 50s due to the continued influx of foreigners. You get what you vote for. I just feel sorry for Singapore in the long term and it only vindicates why I've decided to move out in the first place.
Up to this stage, there are still people saying that manufacturing shouldn't be phased out. In the first place, no one is saying it should be phased out.....just a restructuring of the economic pie lol.
Reminds me of my friend who voted PAP in 2006 because he was afraid of being denied his first HDB. Then all the shit came, prices went up like hell and when I had a chat with him again, he said he wasn't the only one who voted PAP. Haha. You get what you vote for....when the engineer 10-20 years later is not earning much more than the engineer of today, and with a huge percentage of singaporeans in the manufacturing sector, the country's Gini coefficient is only going to get wider and wider. The country's basically screwed.
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the world will forever need manufacturing sector. R&D is here and will stay for good.
Unless you're telling me no one needs to replace/ refurb aging vessels, aircrafts
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rok star can go sing on stage n really be a rock star in some service music industry.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
As expected his policy of reshaping this economy as service oriented is going to face a lot of resistance.
There are a lot of singaporeans in the manufacturing sector and that includes the some of you. To hear Tan Jee Say say this is a great trepidation on your perceived future. If ever this thing is to be done, it shd be gradual....people's rice bowls have to be of top priority before the graduated orientation to a service economy.
Singaporeans may not vote this guy due to his so called "drastic measures" but 10-20 years down the road, you will see that salaries of the manufacturing sector would not have increased very much. And don't be surprised if you're retrenched on a fat pay by your 40s and 50s due to the continued influx of foreigners. You get what you vote for. I just feel sorry for Singapore in the long term and it only vindicates why I've decided to move out in the first place.
Up to this stage, there are still people saying that manufacturing shouldn't be phased out. In the first place, no one is saying it should be phased out.....just a restructuring of the economic pie lol.
Reminds me of my friend who voted PAP in 2006 because he was afraid of being denied his first HDB. Then all the shit came, prices went up like hell and when I had a chat with him again, he said he wasn't the only one who voted PAP. Haha. You get what you vote for....when the engineer 10-20 years later is not earning much more than the engineer of today, and with a huge percentage of singaporeans in the manufacturing sector, the country's Gini coefficient is only going to get wider and wider. The country's basically screwed.
go setup yer own company.i wuld rather stick with manufacturing as its easier for me.up to people and what they can do with accumulate knowledge.
for me....manufacturing goes hand in hand with service side.u build a product.......u need boxes to package them..so u contact the sales people(service) in the packaging company..they liase with u and yer packaging gets delivered by their delivery drivers(service side)u get printers to see the blwed of the packaging.another liason person.
then u package yer products and ship them worldwide.
its all related,,,not one industry can do it alon by itself.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
the world will forever need manufacturing sector. R&D is here and will stay for good.
Unless you're telling me no one needs to replace/ refurb aging vessels, aircrafts
tell that to the orginitors of this cokoo ideas. even US and japan retains some of the high end manurafturing activities plants and factories. this guy with GYchuan's team right? -
Originally posted by sbst275:
Rely on services sector totally.
$10bn to aid them to shift out to JB
Sbst should read his report before commenting. His report is brilliant. His proposed change can create more quality jobs than the 2 intergrated resort -
Originally posted by SevenEleven:
Sbst should read his report before commenting. His report is brilliant. His proposed change can create more quality jobs than the 2 intergrated resort
post here lah so brilliant good things must share mah right? -
Originally posted by SevenEleven:
Sbst should read his report before commenting. His report is brilliant. His proposed change can create more quality jobs than the 2 intergrated resort
you see arirony of our manufacturing ind..
We can do, make aircraft engine.. but we can never be a fully industralised nation.. We need a mix of bth sv and manufacturing sector.
As for the IR, come to think of it now..
You're ever taken note of e education path??? chicken n egg prob..
ppl refer biz than engineering courses today
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Originally posted by sbst275:
you see arirony of our manufacturing ind..
We can do, make aircraft engine.. but we can never be a fully industralised nation.. We need a mix of bth sv and manufacturing sector.
As for the IR, come to think of it now..
You're ever taken note of e education path??? chicken n egg prob..
ppl refer biz than engineering courses today
its just a trend. when those developing countries becaum developed, the table will turn around again. buisness now treated like cleaning shit wil come back to us.
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I saw e full report
Some are true but some are really questionable
1) aid to shift to neighbouring country: Why on earth do I want to help other countries in this? End up entire thing incl R&D goes together.
2) Education: I've said my piece over the rat race here while e scholars enjoy overseas liberal studies.
3) Medical: Right now only A level path students could enter NUS med school. You limit e pool of students you get. Tat said there might be issues w/ taking in poly grads because of their depth of studies in certain field.
4) ERP: Wa laoz eh, tat time when they added gantries they gave $50 rebate. Small but I earned it cos I cannot remember when I passed by an operating ERP gantry
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I saw e full report
Some are true but some are really questionable
1) aid to shift to neighbouring country: Why on earth do I want to help other countries in this? End up entire thing incl R&D goes together.
2) Education: I've said my piece over the rat race here while e scholars enjoy overseas liberal studies.
3) Medical: Right now only A level path students could enter NUS med school. You limit e pool of students you get. Tat said there might be issues w/ taking in poly grads because of their depth of studies in certain field.
4) ERP: Wa laoz eh, tat time when they added gantries they gave $50 rebate. Small but I earned it cos I cannot remember when I passed by an operating ERP gantry
on pint 1: if this guy is with GY chuan's party be careful. GY has a fetiish in worshipping policies of other countries. some may not work here. -
dun care. so not voting the SDP ever sicne i realised they turned gay... look at their homo manifesto abt 14 yr olds... omg the way this is goin SDP will drag the morality of SG down the drain. im would hate to see that happen. i say SDP shud jus get out and let good party like WP with proper morals to step in for a good fight..
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
post here lah so brilliant good things must share mah right?http://www.scribd.com/doc/53674181/10/Creative-industries-Enterprise-Regeneration
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Originally posted by SevenEleven:
thanks i read the part. i still feel tha moving the manufacturing sector out of the country is a bad move for now - real bad move. other pints he brought out may be feasible or logical. low cost ones are already booted out from singapore. high end ones should stay, course for manufacturing and engineering etc technical side should still exist in Singapore. we should have a diversified skill training and knowhow in our workforce, just like in parliament. -
I think its PAP that suggested it, not the SDP guy??? He didnt mention anything about shifting manufacturing away.
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Many things can help,
if CPF can be used to help us if jobless,
if retraining really helps,
if there's more open debate on the ground and to mentally prepare people for retooling of Sinkapore,
no one will be afraid of anything.
That's how PAP catch citizens, tied them up and screw them upside down.
Wages are now so low but how? People still want their low wage jobs to feed families and pay for HDB installments.
Cannot go up, down, left or right but only PAP way. That's how screw up things have become.
The more we delay the retooling of Sinkapore, the more pain will it be in the future.
Ironically, PAP shitted anyhow and the opposition have to wipe its' backside.
Life Sucks.
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Leong Sze Hian /
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refer to the articles “GE: “I didn’t propose closing factories “,
says Tan Jee Say” (Channel News Asia, Apr 28) and ”SM: Ex- aide’s
proposals easier said than done” (ST, Apr 25).Looking at the onslaught that is being thrown at my Rafflesian schoolmate Tan Jee Say, from no less than more than half a dozen or so Ministers – Goh Chok Tong, Lim Boon Heng, Lim Hng Kiang, Grace Fu, Lee Yi Shyan, etc, I think it may be an understatement to say that to my living memory, I don’t think any opposition candidate has ever garnered such a rare honour of attention by the ruling Government.
Why?
Because I think Jee Say is arguably the most qualified and experienced candidate ever fielded by the opposition in the history of Singapore.
In particular, his experience as Principal Private Secretary to former Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong, heading economic strategy at the Economic Development Board and Secretary to Dr Albert Winsemius, the Dutch economist who has been credited with being the architect of Singapore’s economic development in our early years following independance, in my view, throws to the wind what the ruling
Government has always been saying – that the opposition do not have the experience to form the Government.The ruling Government has also always said that the opposition is abundant in rhetoric, but lacking in concrete policy solutions and detailed plans.
Well, Jee Say has published a 45-page plan for the future of Singapore, with a focus on the urgent need to change our economic strategies and policies.
Has any ruling Government candidate ever come out with even a 20-page paper?
The fact of the matter is that the ruling Government’s new batch of candidates pales in comparison to the likes of Tan Jee Say and Chen Show Mao.
Jee Say is also perhaps uniquely qualified in diversity, as he has been in Government as well as the private sector, something which few of the ruling Government’s new candidates can boast of.
More significantly, Jee Say is one of their own – a ‘member of the club’, so to speak.
One does not need to be the ruling Government to see the danger of the precedence – that Jee Say may be the catalyst that we have all been waiting for all these years – one who would encourage other scholars, civil servants, Members of Parliament, etc, to stand on the side of the opposition.
This is in my view, a crucial moment in Singapore’s history, as we may be on the verge of taking the first steps towards being a real democracy.
After all, as Singaporeans, aren’t we all on the same side, whichever party we belong to or support?
In my view, all this talk of a ‘freak election’ is utter nonsense, as no democracy can function without allowing the fundamental free vote of the people.
Statistical analysis
At this juncture, some of you who are reading this may be thinking – this is quite unlike my writing style – no ‘statistical’ analysis?
So, her goes …
The attacks on Jee Say’s proposal to gradually shift the focus more to services from manufacturing, may best be described as a “cheap shot in the dark”, as Jee Say does not advocate in his paper, the abandonment of the manufacturing sector or for that matter manufacturing jobs.
In fact, the statistics show that in recent years, the rate of growth of change in contribution to the economy, has come from the services sector, relative to the manufacturing sector.
For example, according to the report “Services sector expected to drive Singapore’s GDP in 2011″ (Channel News Asia, Dec 22):
“Economists have said that next year, the services sector is expected to drive growth in Singapore’s gross domestic product (GDP). Economists said the growth baton is expected to pass from manufacturing to services next year”.
The rate of change of growth for jobs growth has also made the services sector the top performer.
According to the MOM’s Labour Market report 2010′ “For the whole of 2010, services contributed the bulk of employment gains (111,000), almost double that in 2009 (55,600). Manufacturing employment declined
by 1,100, but this was much lower than the losses of 43,700 in 2009.Hence, with reference to Goh Chok Tong’s remarks that “implementation would not be such a breeze” – isn’t Singapore already now implementing the gradual shift to services – thus, confirming Jee Say’s thesis?
Mr Goh says: “There are 420,000 blue collar workers. Change the collar colour to white and put them in education, health, IT, financial sectors? Move to IRs (integrated resorts) perhaps?” Perhaps Mr Goh does not know, but aren’t the bulk of training and re-training under SPUR and CET programmes already now more so in such services sectors, relative to manufacturing?
How many of these 420,000 blue collar workers are amongst the 500,000 workers earning not more than $1,500, according to the 2010 Census?
I am not an expert in economics like Jee Say, but I believe one of the issues he raised in his paper, was that manufacturing’s reliance on low-wage low- skilled foreign labour may have contributed to the low
wage of Singaporeans.The above should address Minister Lim Boon Heng’s remarks, “Likewise, Mr Lim slammed Mr Tan’s suggestion to drastically reduce foreign workers, noting that their presence in manufacturing has allowed
Singaporeans to get better-paid jobs”.How does the Minister then explain the declining real wages of the approximately bottom 25 per cent of workers in the last 11 years or so?
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so wat? i dun care. as long as SDP upholds their gay agenda and downright wrong 14 yr consensual sex proposal, i will never vote for them. i cant bear to see incompetent ppl like them draging singapore down the drain. better pap than SDP, thats for sure. even better,i would vote WP. at least they are straight, and they are the only party doing some actually sensible talking.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
so wat? i dun care. as long as SDP upholds their gay agenda and downright wrong 14 yr consensual sex proposal, i will never vote for them. i cant bear to see incompetent ppl like them draging singapore down the drain. better pap than SDP, thats for sure. even better,i would vote WP. at least they are straight, and they are the only party doing some actually sensible talking.
was in UK few decades back n used to hang at piccadilly circus during the week ends. saw some lasses with dyed hair - blue, red, green... n wearin heels, 1 with red on 1 leg n black on the other. I was thinkin WTF these chiobus are doing? would any1 here accept the trend then? Today, we even see guys with red hairs.
In states, the trend is full arms tatoos. can u accept ppl here with full arms tattoos?
UK has legalize gay marriage and its only a matter of time tat u will get over it even u cant accept it.