How come Singapore not inside Asian Cup 2007 (soccer) ?
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In Soccer we only remember the Cup Holders and we dont care how they won...hell, we dont even remember who came in second!Originally posted by red_amoeba:pls lah...you think our soccer skills so good meh? So what if they win the SEA cup? Remember they went thru due to a contraversal goal and besides the match where they wallop Laos (the beating boys), their performance against other teams are so so - on home ground some more. -
they are focusing on the world cup.
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[quote]Originally posted by crazy monkey:
singapore soccer team just a waste of $$ so spend the $$ on other sports instead. [/quote
It is not a waste as a matter of fact the money put into Soccer developement is not enough,what it needs now is "PEANUTS" and lots of it.Youve have seen how much the Singapore team has improved so this is not the time to quit believing.FTs or not they are your countrymen & national players. -
Thank you for getting the point. Singapore's two wins was not undeserving.Originally posted by Jaeyoon:Thank you for your opinion. No, I'm not belittling the competition. They deserve some credit of course. You need a bit of luck. In competitions, sometime the best team doesn't win. On many occasions, the favorites would end up defeated. People can say they're unlucky or didn't perform up to expectation or wasted their chances. Right?
No I didn't, I hope I didn't give you that impression somehow.And about your comment on [b]hostile Thai environment, I don't agree with it. I believe this is what the Singapore media's bad habit of over exagerating the situation after that 1st leg's incident. That's something a lot of foreigners always feel about the Singapore's media or government (sorry, don't mean to put politics in but it's true). They tend to portray other countries' situation as 'dangerous', 'messy', 'hostile' or something negative that affect Singaporeans' feelings about other countries. ( Nothing is good about others except Singapore.)
According to the fact at that time, from my numerous contacts in Bangkok, the Thai people were living everyday as usual. The Thai fans weren't hostile. Bangkok environment was as usual. Nothing negative or dangerous. It's the media that scared Singapore supporters and the team and play down on Thailand. Thus many supporters from Singapore canceled their trips. In fact I find Thai people very disciplined and friendly citizens. Otherwise millions of foreigners won't be visiting, living and working there every year.
In fact, when I was in the National Stadium watching the games that Singapore played in, the Singapore fans appeared to be more hostile to the away teams. They would always curse out all the local vulgar terms loudly on the away teams. Even when it's true a foul by Singapore players on the opponent players, the local fans in Singapore would just curse out those 'CB', 'referee Kayu', 'KNN', 'FCUK U' kind of words on the referees or the opponent players. How do we justify that then?
In Korea, I've watched international football games and I can assure you that I have never seen Korean supporters curse and swear out loud at opponent teams or referees like what some Singapore supporters do. Unless there is some injustice over the referee's decision or unsporting conduct/naughty behavior by players of another countries. Despite that, the supporters continue to cheer without the disturbing curse and swear which we often hear when we enter the Kallang National Stadium in Singapore. So I don't know what those 'curse and swear' supporters really want.
Overall, if you talk about hostile environment, in my opinion, Singapore's National Stadium is more hostile if I'm a foreigner supporting my country and sit in one of the designated corner of the National Stadium. I remember how everytime, the foreign supporters got harassed or cursed by the local Singapore supporters when they didn't do anything wrong. That's unsporting.
I don't see that in Korea. Supporters just sing out loud, cheer the Korea National Team throughout the match without harassing the foreign supporters in another corner holding foreign flags.
Maybe it's due to education or media's influence on the supporters, I'm not sure. But I think that if you refer the Thailand-Singapore game earlier this year as hostile environment, I don't agree
Of course the majority of the fans support the home team but they're not dangerous. Many people in Bangkok are educated and they have their own set of values and buddhist teachings they received since young. So give the Thai supporters some confidence and credits. We can't base our judgement on what the media says. And as you know, some reporters are disliked by readers....They're biased. Especially those from newspapers like The New Paper.
I have been to Thailand on many occasions and have many friends there. I think they're OK. They don't take the 1st leg's controversial penalty to heart. It's a game after all. Many supporters were unhappy during that time but after a while, they would forget it and look forward to the Asian Cup which will start today. [/b][/quote]
I think my usage of the word 'hostile' was probably inappropriate. You've gone into pretty much depth over it, but by hostile, I didn't mean they were dangerous or ready to maul the Singapore players to death. I'm kind of just using the same word soccer reports tend to use, my bad I guess. No offence, but I don't mean it the way you think I do.
Yes Thais are a friendly bunch, I've experienced it first hand. Going back a bit, by hostile, what I meant was basically a charged crowd cheering in full force against their opponents. I've also mentioned how little support the Singapore team had there.
About the Singapore crowd swearing and all, I was at the match between Korea and Singapore, what do you think I saw?
But still, I'm sure you wouldn't label the Singapore crowd as hostile as that would be a pretty extreme comment in itself. Do they have a tendency to throw things onto the pitch? No doubt there is a ban on bringing bottles into stadiums, but they don't even throw coins.And please, do not classify Thailand as a places like Indonesia or England where the fans can be very too passionate to the extent that crowd trouble sometimes occur. Indonesia's domestic league games sometimes see players chasing after players or even referees, the supporters even become violent.
I do know what you mean, but just wanted to address a few of your points.I'm not Thai but I feel injustice for the Thais if the media influence the people, telling them negatively about the usually friendly people.
Anyway, if you have a chance, welcome to Korea to watch an international match between Korea and another country, you'll see for yourself and know what I mean.
[quote]SumOne, have a Nice Day!!You too. -
lol .. bunch of gundus
go ahead .. continue living in the past ..
th malaysia cup team can continue whacking malaysian state team and lose to their national team hor -
What are gundus? Who are you referring to?Originally posted by chillz88:lol .. bunch of gundus
go ahead .. continue living in the past ..
th malaysia cup team can continue whacking malaysian state team and lose to their national team hor
Who are living in the past? -
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they decided not to because they felt we were just gonna get lubbed over thr.
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There was a certain minister who boasted SG Team will be in the world cup come 2010. Maybe he meant to say 2100?
Anyway, snipe aside, yes we did get knocked out of the Asian Cup qualifers. But we showed quality never before present. I may not like the idea of the national team having up to 5 foreign 'talents', but i think FAS scored a coup when they hired avramovic as the manager. He has tightened defence at the back, switched to wingers and made the team play with the ball on the ground.
Our team fitness has improved as well, though i would like to see us keep the ball more often with slick passing rather then 1-touch soccer.
Against the likes of Bahrain, Korea and Saudi Arabia, i don't think our team is overawed anymore.
Just too bad then. -
2010 is such a tall order for Singapore to be honest we cant even guarantee if England or Brazil is going to be there.What is guaranteed is that Soccer is moving at the right direction for FAS,the speed of progress would have to depend on how much money the sports ministry is willing to pump into Soccer developement.If I have my way I would remove the words 'Foreign Talents' in Sports.The idea is to win a competition for yourself and to a certain extend the country that you represent . Nothing to do much with nationalism or patriotism but all in the name of Sports.The big disappointment is not seeing Singapore share some of the glories with the other South East Asian Soccer teams in the Asia Cup.Big dreams starts with smaller ones!
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I dun bother to follow the SG soccer scene......the S-League or any international match involving SG. Not that i am being anti patriotic. It's just that SG cannot make the cut into the real international scene. I am not referring among Asean.....even here Sg soccer has more ups than down....so how to compete with the likes of Australia, China, Japan, Korea....Middle Eastern countries etc etc?
In my opinion Soccer is more about size and speed of the players than it is about solely on skill......you can have the best skills....but when it comes to body weight to shove your opponent aside during a tussle for the ball or goalmouth melee to press on ahead towards goal....Sg players is sadly lacking.
Look at all the likes of Australia, China, Japan etc. Their players are not only tall, they are also big as compared to our players.....
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Please, let's all go to this thread to discuss
Asian Cup 2007
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=263912
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ya lor..but malaysia fared badly during the asian cup grp round.i dun think sg will do tat badly de.
seriously i will love to c sg play a friendly match against pro countries like England,Germany,Argentina,France and Brazil.i noe tt SG cant win,but They should know how playing wif tis top teams are like,not sticking with the same old ASEAN countries all the time -
Have you seen Singapore face the big teams of Asia yet?Originally posted by zero747:ya lor..but malaysia fared badly during the asian cup grp round.i dun think sg will do tat badly de.
seriously i will love to c sg play a friendly match against pro countries like England,Germany,Argentina,France and Brazil.i noe tt SG cant win,but They should know how playing wif tis top teams are like,not sticking with the same old ASEAN countries all the time
The above teams that you mentioned won't wanna face Singapore unless Singapore can beat all the top 8 of Asia - Iran, Korea Rep, China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Uzbekistan and second tier Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Thailand, UAE, Qatar convincingly first and get to at least the quarter finals of both Asian Cup and Asian Games and then qualify for the World Cup.
After that can the top world class teams that you mentioned be willing to get FAS' invitation to play Singapore often.
If you live in countries like the top 8 Asian powerhouses, you'll know what I mean. In Korea, we get to see European and South American teams visit Korea and play the national team every year upon the invitation of the KFA. I don't think we're strong but at least we have a certain standard in Asia to get their acceptance to play friendlies with us.
For Singapore team, I think you should say stop always facing ASEAN countries but face more of greater Asian countries. We can't run without learning how to walk first. Hope FAS can make it one day. Good luck. -
Please, let's all go to this thread to discuss
Asian Cup 2007
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=263912
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Later the indonesia gonna throw dustbin at us if we win again
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If you guys analyse our results in qualifiers, we've been able to hold top Asian teams to a draw or a 1 goal loss. E.g 0-0 China, 2-0 Iraq, 1-2 Japan, 0-1 Japan (Yokohama in winter).
Could the team during the Malaysia Cup days do the same thing? Losing 0-1 to Japan in Saitama is far more challenging than whacking Brunei 8-0 or Pahang 4-0.
The Australia match is a different story, firstly it was a friendly, secondly, the 2nd half had a lot of Singaporean injuries. Don't forget we hit the crossbar twice, and the post once. We had a total of 7 shots on goal, same as the Aussies.
it is not a fair comparison whther the current singapore soccer is better than during the malaysia cup days. how can we better off when we have the likes of abbas saad, michal vana taking bribes? same goes to malaysia.
second look at the foreign influx footballers playing for national team now.
i like to pay respect to China player Shi jiaya. in my opinion he is the 2 players together with benett deserve my respect.
it bullshit to say singaporean fans are not loyal and only support team when they are winning. fans pay money to see their teamn play. thus it is only human nature we want our national team to win. time and again the national team fails us. to have a better football future in singapore. everybody have to play a part, and it has to start with the FAS and the players. show us your quality and the fans will be back.mah bow tan is better stuck in his HBD holes than making another mockery of own intelligence again . 2010 my feet! -
Its good to have target lar. In business also, you need to hit a certain target what. Without the goal 2010 target, we wouldn't be improving. The team now is 10x better than then team in 2002.
To all those Malaysia Cup fans, continue living in the past and think your Malaysia Cup teams are better!
You want to see Singapore 8-0 Penang or Singapore 2-0 Iraq????
In this edition of the Asian Cup, Singapore is the only team to beat the new Champion of Asia. -
Singapore still waiting to buy an EPL team to call it their own!
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sg should count themselves lucky to be kick out of Asian Cup.
malaysia kena rape badly dat they were backlashed by their own sultan n fans. even their media also totally wrote them off by saying 'RIP'. -
sg can count themselve unlucky not to be in the asian cup.
we are good enough to meet china and iraq. -
To be frank, I don't think so. Can defend perhaps and keep the score low but not yet to that quality of defeating every top teams. Maybe once in a while, an upset or so only.Originally posted by chillz88:sg can count themselve unlucky not to be in the asian cup.
we are good enough to meet china and iraq.
You know, upsets or giant-killing happens in soccer everywhere in the world.
Huddersfield from lower division can beat the likes of Arsenal or Manchester United. But who are still stronger? ofcourse Arsenal or Man Utd.
Singapore is still not good enough. Maybe only hold to draw or occasionally upsetting the bigger teams. These days, defense is better partly because of imported foreign players playing for Singapore.
Iraq might have lost to Singapore 2-0 once during a qualifer does mean that Singapore is better overall. On that day, Singapore strike form and Iraq was in not so good condition. Skill-wise and physical-wise, Iraq is still better.
Remember, the return leg, Singapore lost 4-2, finding it hard to repeat the same thing they did in Singapore.
To prove that Singapore is the top tier of Asian soccer, they have to able to beat any of the top Asian teams anytime, anywhere.
There is hope but need more effort, money and match experience. Most importantly, the youth system for the future is necessary. -
it seems nobody knows the real reason.
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thats why we're aiming for 6mil population!
more people, more talent! -
2 Million soccer players is all you needOriginally posted by stellazio:thats why we're aiming for 6mil population!
more people, more talent!