4-3-3 for England?
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Let's admit it, they weren't great. There are positives, but only a handful. And seriously, on a personal note, McLaren was never good enough for the England job.
As for England now, I believe they can play 4-3-3 should they choose to. However, their choice of personel has to be different if they want to play that formation. They can try Hargreaves or someone else as holding midfielder, Carrick just in front of him and Gerrard either level with Carrick, or preffably just ahead of him. Lampard should be dropped because I don't really see him doing anything fantastic for England, except maybe bring fans into the game by allowing them to throw the ball back onto the field.
Further upfield, the attack should be spearheaded by either Andrew Johnson, Jermain Defoe or Owen. Playing on the right of the main striker will be none other than Rooney. Dyer or Lennnon can also come in in place of Rooney. On the left, the slot can go to Downing. Or Joe Cole if he's fit.
Defence wise, they seem ok.
Else, play 4-4-2 with Carrick and Gerrard in the middle, Downing wide left and Dyer or Lennon wide right. They can do well not to start with Crouch. He's better in holding up play or for a more direct route should one be needed.
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i kinda like 4-3-3, but they really need rooney.. and the long ball tactics to crouch doesn't seem to work well on international stage, there was so many fouls called against him ytd just by jumping.
but i wonder, when owen is back, how to fit him in? -
i tend to disagree wif stellario. england need to play long ball approach to peter crouch, 4-5-1 will be the ideal formation at the moment with the absense of joe cole.
lampard need to be drop to bench. rooney is not really dat great due to his quick tempo and he might cause the game. since dat spurs keeper is off-form, they should deploy david james for the time being. -
Long balls make it look desperate. The English side has more class than that.Originally posted by stellazio:i kinda like 4-3-3, but they really need rooney.. and the long ball tactics to crouch doesn't seem to work well on international stage, there was so many fouls called against him ytd just by jumping.
but i wonder, when owen is back, how to fit him in?
As for Owen, he can fill in at the tip of the attack. What they need is someone who is able to finish chances. -
agree with the no lampard theory..
as for crouch, he could be used as a super sub, when the opposing defenders are tired, can use him as new focus of attack. before that, owen/rooney/johnson/bentley can show their stuff first..
midfield, if they really have left midfield, why don't they just push the defense up ? cashley cole and gary nev"er-foul-you"ille can be the wing backs, with carrick and hargreaves covering defense of king, woodgate and ferdinand.
then the single attacking midfielder can be either gerrard/dyer/cole -
owen has already passed his peak n his england career as good as over. now the england future will be crouch, rooney, walcott, defoe, others.Originally posted by Othello_Red:Long balls make it look desperate. The English side has more class than that.
As for Owen, he can fill in at the tip of the attack. What they need is someone who is able to finish chances.
it will be unfair to recall owen once he return from his injuries. basically, he NEVER contribute any to his club and the club paying him for nothing. -
micah richards should be played more often, yes he is inexperience, but he is promising.
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true, true. but they really dun hv any other natural goal scorer. Maybe because I'm in favour of fowards like van Nist. Master finishers who just die die wanna get the ball past the line.Originally posted by 798:owen has already passed his peak n his england career as good as over. now the england future will be crouch, rooney, walcott, defoe, others.
it will be unfair to recall owen once he return from his injuries. basically, he NEVER contribute any to his club and the club paying him for nothing.
But for Crouch, yeah, his job is super sub. Really. Just to piss ooff defences when they r tired and try to nick a goal here or there. -
if u seen the match ytd, even the commentators agreed, international refs are more strict with te physical approach, so crouch got penalised many times ytd.
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lampard should be dropped. useless piece of sh*t!
If everybody is fully-fit,
i'll play 4-4-2 with foster, a.cole, rio, terry, richards, lennon/dyer, j.cole or downing, gerrard/ carrick/o. hargreaves (either 2 will take the DM and AM positions), with rooney/a.johnson and owen/crouch the strikepair.
alternatives would be robert green, bridge, defoe -
woah look ! carrick is the useless crap and yet u say lampard should be drop ?Originally posted by trendz:lampard should be dropped. useless piece of sh*t!
If everybody is fully-fit,
i'll play 4-4-2 with foster, a.cole, rio, terry, richards, lennon/dyer, j.cole or downing, gerrard/ carrick/o. hargreaves (either 2 will take the DM and AM positions), with rooney/a.johnson and owen/crouch the strikepair.
alternatives would be robert green, bridge, defoe -
carrick is useless, but at least he can protect the defense.. lampard chiong and shoot but no goal also jialat wor..
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drop lampard...no contribution at all...
can't score...can't defend...can't link attacks up...whats the use of him with gerrad and hargreaves/carrick around?
drop lampard. -
mcclaren is no use... he insists of bring gerrad/lampard together even though dey cant work together, different mindsets too...
he shld not put both on the same field.
pls la england, u put chopstick to play for wat??
use the old fashion formation 4-4-2 la, pls.
ur 1 star i see oso sian liao la, 1 star for show ah? -
What formation also no use.
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i don't understand why the forumers here think that Lampard is lousy even though he Is indeed a world class midfielder for me and my bro and some of my friends in real life
and use the 4-4-2 formation -
I also don't understand why u keep insisting he so great. Look at the number of chances he missed playing 4 england. Gd for club but NOT england.Originally posted by ghimpheng:i don't understand why the forumers here think that Lampard is lousy even though he Is indeed a world class midfielder for me and my bro and some of my friends in real life
and use the 4-4-2 formation -
9/10 people says that lanpard is utterly useless. the odd one out must be you.Originally posted by ghimpheng:i don't understand why the forumers here think that Lampard is lousy even though he Is indeed a world class midfielder for me and my bro and some of my friends in real life
and use the 4-4-2 formation
world-class midfielder? yeah right... if that's the case; ronaldinho would be languishing in nationwide conference. -
lampard and gerrard cannot blend
and it was said that england can never adopt another formation except 4-4-2 -
front three shld be rooney in middle, james milner wide right and lennon or joe cole left
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to be fair, if OwenH is fit, he will play in place of Carrick.
As for Lampard, it is either him or Gerrard. And until the England Manager can finally decide that even though "GP thinks he is indeed a world class midfielder for me and my bro and some of my friends in real life" and drop him.
England is doomed.
England must play 442, with two wings, one in Lennon, and one in Jole Cole.
If all is fit,
Ideally, it should be Robinson, GN, Rio, Terry, Cole, Lennon, Owen,Gerrard, Joe, Rooney, Defoe.
of course, many may got a better lineup, let's share.. -
GP, let's reason.Originally posted by ghimpheng:i don't understand why the forumers here think that Lampard is lousy even though he Is indeed a world class midfielder for me and my bro and some of my friends in real life
and use the 4-4-2 formation
Personally, I think Lampard is a fanastic midfielder.
but in England playing 442, they can only be an AM and DM.
DM will be OwenH if fit, and AM will be Gerrard.
To be fair, there is only a fine line between Gerrard and Lampard in terms of technical ability.
But Gerrard has proven in Liverpool that he can shine despite surrounded by average players, while Lampard can shine when in the company of good players.
If you must compare, think back, when Gerrard and Lampard first started, who was better.. It was certainly Gerrard.. Lampard only shine in Chelsea after the good players come in, not before.
I did supported Lampard when i found that entering WC, he was the top scorer in England team and every touch of his seems to lead to "Goal".
But after a while, you can predict his game, he is good with passing from side to side, and he shoot mostly in the final third of game. right?
You can debate Gerrard does that too, maybe not as good.
But look at who lampard got and then Gerrard. Lampard will mostly pass to Robben, Drogba who can do it on their own, as compared to Crouch and Garcia who needs just a bit more help.
And we know what happened at the WC stage where your quality needs to be backed up by results.
Lampard has a horrific WC, while Gerrard did much better.
but here's the key difference, Gerrard did it twice, one in FA cup finals and one in European Cup finals. the key, he can do it in the big times.
Lampard may be able to do it but firstly, he has to lead his team to the level and then display his quality.
Maybe, a sting in Barca can make him even better cause spain la liga does stress more on technical skills.
But I know my views are not entirely right, so let's hear yours.. -
actually 4-3-3 is quite widely used by managers nowadays.. and the big clubs in england seems to be using it quite often, so the england players which mostly come from the big clubs should be able to shine.. since england has no out and out pure world class left footer winger, the 4-3-3 which is a narrower formation might be a better idea. and besides the strength of england central midfield, hargreaves/lampard/gerrard are very dominant in the middle.. they should practice this more..
with rooney dropping into the whole behind the lonestriker, he is at his best. add to that the creativity of joe cole, or the flair of lennon and it should on paper at least looks quite optimistic for england.. but they just dun seem to function as a team. -
Lampard is a world class midfielder
dropping him would be crazy and undesirable
if england drop him i am sure that england won't win any trophy -
but england is winning nothing with him now in the team, he can't score, can't assist, no sparks, so what can all expect from him?Originally posted by ghimpheng:Lampard is a world class midfielder
dropping him would be crazy and undesirable
if england drop him i am sure that england won't win any trophy
Please, he may be good but he is having a slump now, and deserved time on the bench.
Anyway, it is people like you who think he deserves his place but he is rotting, and he can only get worse.
Sometimes, you need a rest/break to get better.
Blind faith is pitiful when you are just killing him.