Park Ji Sung..
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Firstly, I think you do not understand me well enough, especially the part on the motivations that got me supported man utd in the first place, which I have tried to highlight but you just don't get it, so obviously, you keep ranting about the history again totally shows me that you're quite clueless here. Funny thing is that you keep trying to tell me what I am, as if you understand me, now that's what I call something to worry about. If you don't know something well enough, it's more polite to reserve your comments to yourself, otherwise I see a fool in the making really.Originally posted by zocoss:Sorry but I think itÂ’s you that have a narrow view of things here. You canÂ’t accept that someone now owns something that you said you once loved. I was just pointing out what a normal supporter is like from a fair weather one. ThatÂ’s all.
It doesnÂ’t have to be Man U, it can be any other club or even a basketball team for that matter. The kind of loyalty you have for something is rather worrying. You said that you are not a band wagon jumper. Well your words donÂ’t seem to suggest that you are one but your actions certainly does.
Anyway, I wasnÂ’t giving you history lessens cos I couldnÂ’t bother. I was just pointing out a simple error that you have overlook which is man u belonged to the fans and public which in fact, is the club was owned by one man way before you became a fan or during the time you claimed to became a fan until 1999 when it was floated on the stock market. TodayÂ’s situation is quite similar to pre 1999 thatÂ’s all. It doesnÂ’t matter if Glazer or someone else took over as long as the club continues in its path loyal supporters will continue to support it.
As I have said earlier, your example is too extreme… and rather ridiculous too considering present day “the team starts promoting evil drugs for commercial purposes, change into a bunch of hooligans taking crack and encouraging vice then you must be one of those blindly supporting them” Come on… any right minded person here can tell you should it come to that day we can make up our minds if we still want to support this kind of stuff!
Lastly, You mentioned that you used to support Man Utd... till Glazer took over. And now we know how much you loved Man Utd before Glazer came, apparently not much enough!
Oh yeah, might as well highlight once again, check/read the motivations on why I supported man utd in the first place, otherwise you're going to mention the history again, lol. Might as well do it 3 times yah so you can show like you understand me inside out.
The fact that you mentioned that my examples were too extreme was surprising really. It's either you do not know how modern soccer players live their lives now, as in nightclubs, s[I][/I]ex, drugs, either that or you are trying to act smart again down here. Yeah, go ahead, act like you know everything.
As for the last statement you made, I wonder if I know myself better or someone like you mr know-it-all, who has never met me or understand me well enough, knows me any better. Think about it. -
Oh yeah, gotta add 1 more point. The last thing I need is for someone from I-don't-know-where to tell me what to be what I am, how to be what I should be, and think how I believe I will live my life. I just can't believe someone wants to tell me if I truly love something when I'm the only person who knows it best, and funny thing is, that person is trying so hard to make me believe he knows better.
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hahaha... i dun think he mean he knows u inside out la.. Myabe he tryin to say u are just not a hard core manu fan thats all. Coz glazer take over doesn't change anything to manu, it only made manu in debts.... Nothing more. So why stop supporting manu just bcoz glazer takeover???
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some people are just fair weathered fans
the ones who doesnt know the Parker and the Ince -
knowing Parker, Ince, Robson, Bruce, Hughes etc.. doesn't makes you a loyal fan.. it might also means you watch football during the late '80s - early '90s and have a good memory
chill guys...chill... its the club we support not the owner, the manager or that particular player...but of course it is those ppl that makes the club attract us as thier fans in the 1st place.. so who cares if anyone is a fair weather fan or otherwise at the end of the day its if the club wins again league championship, a euro cup etc...that counts...
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chill guys.. obviously the threadstarter wanna attract more people or make those man utd fans quarrel over this.. don't fall into his worthless threads and replies..
all of his replies and threads are so obvious that he is shooting at man utd.. he is just plain dumb..
agenda, go back to ur liverpool forum, thats where u belong -
oh no..Originally posted by 798:cannot compare looks lah. soccer about talented n skills.
just look at the brazilians, alot of them are ugly but still... pple like them!
yea ...skill n talent can cover ur appearances. in soccer..n many other form of stuff..
r.dino dont look handsome but hell he got how many supportor? -
wowser dumb dumb, you obviously fail at mind-reading..Originally posted by Dead_Man_Inc:chill guys.. obviously the threadstarter wanna attract more people or make those man utd fans quarrel over this.. don't fall into his worthless threads and replies..
all of his replies and threads are so obvious that he is shooting at man utd.. he is just plain dumb..
agenda, go back to ur liverpool forum, thats where u belong
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Well obviously I don’t… and I have no intention to also. Secondly, the only reason I am repeating the history to you is because it seems that you are oblivion to it. So the clueless one here and made a fool here is sadly yourself only if I were to borrow your own words “If you don't know something well enough, it's more polite to reserve your comments to yourself, otherwise I see a fool in the making really”Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:Firstly, I think you do not understand me well enough, especially the part on the motivations that got me supported man utd in the first place, which I have tried to highlight but you just don't get it, so obviously, you keep ranting about the history again totally shows me that you're quite clueless here. Funny thing is that you keep trying to tell me what I am, as if you understand me, now that's what I call something to worry about. If you don't know something well enough, it's more polite to reserve your comments to yourself, otherwise I see a fool in the making really.
Oh yeah, might as well highlight once again, check/read the motivations on why I supported man utd in the first place, otherwise you're going to mention the history again, lol. Might as well do it 3 times yah so you can show like you understand me inside out.
The fact that you mentioned that my examples were too extreme was surprising really. It's either you do not know how modern soccer players live their lives now, as in nightclubs, s[I][/I]ex, drugs, either that or you are trying to act smart again down here. Yeah, go ahead, act like you know everything.
As for the last statement you made, I wonder if I know myself better or someone like you mr know-it-all, who has never met me or understand me well enough, knows me any better. Think about it.
Well, I am looking at one now if you must know as you have claimed how and why you became a Man u supporter and now you are no longer one cos Glazer took over and now it no longer belongs to the public or to youÂ… blarÂ… blarÂ…blar. It is not as if man u have changed over the last 10yrs, they have still fought till the very last minute in every game.
Well, now I can understand why you became a fan in 1993. They started winning in 91, 92 then you jump on in 93 but now for the past 3 yrs they have not won, so your support has diminish. This is actually quite normal for bandwagon fans as they are only interested in one thingÂ… and that is they are glory seekers supporter, they will move on which is ok as with any game, any sport, there will be kinds like these.
Well, since you claimed that at around 1993 you became a fan and everything else before that is forgotten as you have a “The Manu Virus: Everything before 1993 is erased” I just pointed out to you that in 1993, Man u was still a private entity, which of course you were not aware of, it was Owned by an individual which was a Mr Martin Edwards. In other words, when you became a fan of Man U in 1993, man U was also owned by 1 man and the situation at present day is no difference from then. So your complaint has no substance!
Footballers are human beings too and it’s not as though they are any different from us. No one is expecting them to be evil and we certainly don’t expect them to be Saints too. But as I have said earlier, your examples are rather ridiculous. “The team starts promoting evil drugs for commercial purposes” Well, why don’t you just mention a few examples! “Change into a bunch of hooligans taking crack and Encouraging vice” Likewise this in not only restricted to footballers, in any trade, any sport there could always be a few bad eggs but not the whole basket. No one is suggesting one should blindly support it. I did mentioned, any right minded person here can tell you should it come to that day we can make up our minds if we still want to support this kind of stuff! And for your info, there were players like that too back in 1993. In fact, if you know who is George Best, which I don’t think you will for a bandwagon one he played during the 60s and earlier 70s, He had a reputation for parties and women but that didn’t stop him from becoming a football legend at the club.
Honestly, I am glad that there are some sincere supporters here still as the three threads after your last proved. Frankly, it doesnÂ’t matter if you are a man u supporter in 1993, 1983 or 2003Â… as long as you are sincere and serious about it, thatÂ’s good enough, one can learn more about the club in 1 yr if you are serious about it than in 10 yrs if you are just a glory seeker supporter.
Oh yeah, I don’t dare to be a “mr know-it-all” but if you insist, I don’t mind lah, I can play along…he..he.
Lastly, donÂ’t be so defensive lah, this is a forum for discussion only wat. All I was trying to say as one guy here have pointed out is you are just not a hard core manu fan thats all, only one simple reply... No need to be so upset wat. I notice all your replies to others are also very dramatic and over-reacting type lehÂ… Cannot take a little bit of criticism mehÂ… There is nothing personal here watÂ… no one is telling you how to behave, what to eat and how you should live your life mahÂ… So lighten-up lah Brother! I used to play your games for free also watÂ…
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Well, one doesn't have to know the history inside out to be a loyal fan. Just like one doesn't have to know inside out all mathematics theories to be a mathematician.Originally posted by zocoss:Well obviously I don’t… and I have no intention to also. Secondly, the only reason I am repeating the history to you is because it seems that you are oblivion to it. So the clueless one here and made a fool here is sadly yourself only if I were to borrow your own words “If you don't know something well enough, it's more polite to reserve your comments to yourself, otherwise I see a fool in the making really”
Well, I am looking at one now if you must know as you have claimed how and why you became a Man u supporter and now you are no longer one cos Glazer took over and now it no longer belongs to the public or to youÂ… blarÂ… blarÂ…blar. It is not as if man u have changed over the last 10yrs, they have still fought till the very last minute in every game.
Well, now I can understand why you became a fan in 1993. They started winning in 91, 92 then you jump on in 93 but now for the past 3 yrs they have not won, so your support has diminish. This is actually quite normal for bandwagon fans as they are only interested in one thingÂ… and that is they are glory seekers supporter, they will move on which is ok as with any game, any sport, there will be kinds like these.
Well, since you claimed that at around 1993 you became a fan and everything else before that is forgotten as you have a “The Manu Virus: Everything before 1993 is erased” I just pointed out to you that in 1993, Man u was still a private entity, which of course you were not aware of, it was Owned by an individual which was a Mr Martin Edwards. In other words, when you became a fan of Man U in 1993, man U was also owned by 1 man and the situation at present day is no difference from then. So your complaint has no substance!
Footballers are human beings too and it’s not as though they are any different from us. No one is expecting them to be evil and we certainly don’t expect them to be Saints too. But as I have said earlier, your examples are rather ridiculous. “The team starts promoting evil drugs for commercial purposes” Well, why don’t you just mention a few examples! “Change into a bunch of hooligans taking crack and Encouraging vice” Likewise this in not only restricted to footballers, in any trade, any sport there could always be a few bad eggs but not the whole basket. No one is suggesting one should blindly support it. I did mentioned, any right minded person here can tell you should it come to that day we can make up our minds if we still want to support this kind of stuff! And for your info, there were players like that too back in 1993. In fact, if you know who is George Best, which I don’t think you will for a bandwagon one he played during the 60s and earlier 70s, He had a reputation for parties and women but that didn’t stop him from becoming a football legend at the club.
Honestly, I am glad that there are some sincere supporters here still as the three threads after your last proved. Frankly, it doesnÂ’t matter if you are a man u supporter in 1993, 1983 or 2003Â… as long as you are sincere and serious about it, thatÂ’s good enough, one can learn more about the club in 1 yr if you are serious about it than in 10 yrs if you are just a glory seeker supporter.
Oh yeah, I don’t dare to be a “mr know-it-all” but if you insist, I don’t mind lah, I can play along…he..he.
Lastly, donÂ’t be so defensive lah, this is a forum for discussion only wat. All I was trying to say as one guy here have pointed out is you are just not a hard core manu fan thats all, only one simple reply... No need to be so upset wat. I notice all your replies to others are also very dramatic and over-reacting type lehÂ… Cannot take a little bit of criticism mehÂ… There is nothing personal here watÂ… no one is telling you how to behave, what to eat and how you should live your life mahÂ… So lighten-up lah Brother! I used to play your games for free also watÂ…
Clearly, you still doesn't know my initial motivations of being a fan in the first place (and as much as I would like to be direct enough to list them all down, but emotions is a pretty complicated affair and it's not so often in black and white), but you're assuming you do understand. Ignorance is fine, but the fact of being someone ignorant and stubborn is a different matter, add to that someone who mix up assumptions and facts. Well, there is a reason why assumptions are assumptions and not facts. Facts is like truth, your opinion/assumptions of how a loyal fan should behave is based more on a set of your personal prejudices.
You mentioned though that noone is suggesting anyone to blindly support a team, then why are you suggesting a loyal fan should be what YOU think they should be, that's another assumption you've made, see you don't really give much leeway here. In some way, it's contradicting.
You got me right though on some things. I am very defensive when someone impose their opinions on me especially on matters that means much to me. However, at the same time, if you notice my replies to others, when I am in the wrong, I have the flexibility to drop my ego and realize that I was, well, in the wrong. And yeah, this is a discussion and maybe I have over-reacted, but that's how things are when someone challenges my stand on things that I have strong emotions for. I think it's quite normal for people get a bigger reaction when others is insulting/challenging matters close to their heart, like your family members, but I'm not into that. That's what Man Utd is about to me and the last thing I need is for someone to tell me what they know man utd is about to me. In some way, you have a point that I shouldn't be upset over such "small" issues, but there is a saying, a man's thrash might be the treasure of another man. It may not matter much to you, but when the issue of man utd comes up to me, it's a very sensitive matter to me.
At the same time, perhaps you are a hard core man utd fan yourself and I see no need to debate so furiously against someone like that, besides you have reminded me that this is just a discussion forum and I should lighten up, valid point. Besides I usually have great admiration, and no ill feelings towards any man utd fan. Still can't believe things started after the post on me praising Park Ji Sung on being handsome, come to think of it, it's kinda funny. -
you know why manu are known as scum?
1st they condemn SAF, then they carry his balls, then they hate the board then they condemn SAF again
and also, manu only won the 1992/1993 league, previous years they were struggling with relegation problems thats why the scums forgot that they hated SAF and started to love him -
lol, I can only conclude that you don't like man utd, but as for your question, you provided invalid reasons and even the question in itself is nonsensical. I know there are way many anti man utd people so it's a waste of my time to rebuke your statements since you probably don't even know what you're talking about.Originally posted by Agenda:you know why manu are known as scum?
1st they condemn SAF, then they carry his balls, then they hate the board then they condemn SAF again
and also, manu only won the 1992/1993 league, previous years they were struggling with relegation problems thats why the scums forgot that they hated SAF and started to love him -
Perhaps reading more on the history of Manu when Matt Busby left would do wonders for youOriginally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:lol, I can only conclude that you don't like man utd, but as for your question, you provided invalid reasons and even the question in itself is nonsensical. I know there are way many anti man utd people so it's a waste of my time to rebuke your statements since you probably don't even know what you're talking about. -
LMAO...Originally posted by Agenda:Perhaps reading more on the history of Manu when Matt Busby left would do wonders for you -
Arr.. my fellow man u friend, as much as your earlier post might have a little suggestion that you were losing the spirit of the Red, I am very glad that, that’s not the case here. Reading your last post has convinced me that you still have a “Red Hot Heart” in you for man utd. I do apologize if I had offended you during the course of our discussions. Cos sometimes things get out of hand…Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:Well, one doesn't have to know the history inside out to be a loyal fan. Just like one doesn't have to know inside out all mathematics theories to be a mathematician.
Clearly, you still doesn't know my initial motivations of being a fan in the first place (and as much as I would like to be direct enough to list them all down, but emotions is a pretty complicated affair and it's not so often in black and white), but you're assuming you do understand. Ignorance is fine, but the fact of being someone ignorant and stubborn is a different matter, add to that someone who mix up assumptions and facts. Well, there is a reason why assumptions are assumptions and not facts. Facts is like truth, your opinion/assumptions of how a loyal fan should behave is based more on a set of your personal prejudices.
You mentioned though that noone is suggesting anyone to blindly support a team, then why are you suggesting a loyal fan should be what YOU think they should be, that's another assumption you've made, see you don't really give much leeway here. In some way, it's contradicting.
You got me right though on some things. I am very defensive when someone impose their opinions on me especially on matters that means much to me. However, at the same time, if you notice my replies to others, when I am in the wrong, I have the flexibility to drop my ego and realize that I was, well, in the wrong. And yeah, this is a discussion and maybe I have over-reacted, but that's how things are when someone challenges my stand on things that I have strong emotions for. I think it's quite normal for people get a bigger reaction when others is insulting/challenging matters close to their heart, like your family members, but I'm not into that. That's what Man Utd is about to me and the last thing I need is for someone to tell me what they know man utd is about to me. In some way, you have a point that I shouldn't be upset over such "small" issues, but there is a saying, a man's thrash might be the treasure of another man. It may not matter much to you, but when the issue of man utd comes up to me, it's a very sensitive matter to me.
At the same time, perhaps you are a hard core man utd fan yourself and I see no need to debate so furiously against someone like that, besides you have reminded me that this is just a discussion forum and I should lighten up, valid point. Besides I usually have great admiration, and no ill feelings towards any man utd fan. Still can't believe things started after the post on me praising Park Ji Sung on being handsome, come to think of it, it's kinda funny.
Anyway, it has been fun. I must say I kind of enjoyed our discussion. Ha haÂ… I donÂ’t see why we canÂ’t be friends online since we are both fans of man u in this forum and who knows, we may cross path again in future if we continue to stay in this forum.
Do have a nice day. And Agenda stay out of this, we know you are not a man u fan. -
I'm pretty glad you don't feel offended or anything, no hard feelings here. Some friendly banter occassionally helps keep things & minds active for awhile. Besides, I guess I learn something from everybody once a while from such discussions, like I tend to over react on certain issues and I don't even realize it until someone puts a reminder on it. Well, enjoyed the interaction and cheers, hope man utd win more throphies ahead. -
wahaha should i close the thread now?since it seems meaningless after the dust has settled..and its back to agenda's meaningless thread..