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Rainbow Body and Thusness's Advise to Me
Posted by: An Eternal Now
In my Facebook group "Dharma Connection" there happens to be many
Dzogchen practitioners around so I posted this as it may interest them
as I think it may also interest you as a reader. I've also posted some
comments by Thusness below. (note: Thusness is not a Dzogchen
practitioner so whatever he said need not be indicative of Dzogchen,
just the practice and experience between us)
Rainbow Body Might Not Be What You Think It Is!
Since there's lots of Dzogchen practitioners, thought it might be interesting to share this piece of info.
Malcolm: "KDL went though all four visions to the end. He told me this
personally. Not only me, but others. He did realize rainbow body.
Rainbow body, in Dzogchen, does not mean that your body disappears. This
is a huge misconception....it is stupidly simple -- once you reach the
end of the fourth vision, everything is a display of the five lights, as
it is put in the classical text earth, rocks, mountains and cliffs
vanish and instead one sees only the five pure lights.....In other
words, rainbow body in essence is actually a realization...."
...
"No, but I have heard (from ChNN among others) that the disappearance
of the body is not necessarily a sign of the body of light.
Hindus also gain control over the four elements, also Arhats can gain
control over the four elements. Gaining control over the four elements
is mundane siddhi, it is not excellent siddhi, nor is it reserved for
Vajrayana and Dzogchen people. However, if someone has not studied in
detail, they might think that many mundane siddhis are
profound. So yes, what I am telling you is that I do not consider the so
called rainbow body to much more than a display of mundane siddhi to
create faith.
I am glad you have faith in the teachings, but as
I said, I do not derive my faith in the teachings through illusions and
phantasmagoria.
N"
....
p.s. with regards to
KDL, who is also Malcolm's teacher (he passed away in 2006) and Malcolm
has said before that KDL is a fully awakened Buddha,
http://tibetanaltar.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/terton-kunzang-dechen-lingpa-moving.html
"Later when Rinpoche was relaxing in a lawn chair, he said to a few
students gathered around him: "You don't realize this, but I am actually
Guru Rinpoche and you are his twenty-five disciples. I have reached the
stage of exhaustion of phenomena (cho nyi zepa). In truth there is for
me no form, no sensation, no perception, no karmic formation, no
consciousness, no form, no smell, no sense consciousness or object of
sense consciousness and so forth; there is no self or other and no
distinction of 'Buddhas' and 'sentient beings'; everything remains in
the naturally perfect state of pure equality. From the depths of my
heart I wish there were some way you could all be made to understand the
truth in this, but you do not see it."
Then Rinpoche went silent and tears fell from his eyes."
Also, maybe not many of you here knows this - Malcolm (Loppon Namdrol) was asked to teach Dzogchen by KDL but he refused.
Thusness said to me:
"As I suspected (thumbs up) I mean the rainbow body. That can only be
done after realization of twofold emptiness and intensity of luminosity
into the three states (waking, dreaming, deep sleep)... you are doing
pretty well. The integration has
been progressing well of the non-dual bliss into your deep sleep state,
in view of the short period after your realization of anatta. The inner
core must completely disappear and the intensity of luminosity must
heighten... Sensations will become transparent and crystal sharp clear.
At
present the core center is gone... You write too much and have too
little rest. Your mind must have enough time to rest in
non-conceptuality of the 6 entries and exits. Otherwise it will not be
easy for you to penetrate further. After realizing the twofold emptying
there is no more boundaries between mind, appearances and apparent
objects and experience becomes seamless... All is mind or this
integrated activity. Then we should actualize and integrate this
realization.
In touching, both subject and object are both emptied
and deconstructed into a single activity of touch and the intensity of
luminous clarity must be strong... is it strong now? Or just like
passing thoughts with no intensity.
Now penetration of the 3
states is only supported by the strength of your view and realization,
not by the intensity of your non-conceptual experience.
"In essence rainbow body is a realization..." Maybe actualization of
realization (would be better), in essence it is an actualized state."
my comment: Dzogchen practitioners use the term 'Realization'
differently than I and Thusness, 'Realization' could mean something like
full actualization or Buddhahood for them and not just an initial
insight/recognition/experience.
