Originally posted by angel7030:
Perhap it is time for me to make clarification here.First, we have ask ourselves, What is the purposes and objectives of NTUC?
Well, to answer that, we have to go back to the history of mid 60s to 70s, during that period, there is no NTUC co-operatives. Provision shop towkays are king of town and village, they can call whatever price they wanted on all essential goods, illegal taxi driver are kings of road by demanding any fare prices they like. There was no insurance coverage for layman and workers. And certainly, there was no dental care, no childcare and no proper workman protection.
Just taking the example of provision shop. Because of the greed of towkays who can sell their rice at any prices of those days, peoples suffered, PIEU and SILO was then formed by worker Unions to cater them to buy essential items such rice, coffee, salt, sugar etc etc at a reasonable market prices and being members, you get further discount, these attracted many peoples join the Unions. And when the group get larger, both PIEU and SILO joined to form NTUC fairprice. One of the objective was to provide a simple worker and his family a chance to shop at supermarket which during that time only the rich can afford. More so, the objective also give a reasonable price on essential goods, so that all people are fairly treated. By and by, more consignment products came knocking into NTUC fairprice door, because of the crowd, business people wanted to sell their product at NTUC shelves, so be it, the more the merrier. At end of the day, NTUC is a price taker, price controller and benchmarker whether they are expensive or cheap, it actually benefit consumer. Think wisely, without NTUC, you think Sheng Siong is willing to lower their prices, you think provision shop are willing to lower their prices. Stiff competition among supermarkets is alway a gain for consumer. You alway notice in today, when people talk about food prices, they alway compare with NTUC, anything that is cheaper is consider cheap, anything that is higher is consider expensive. But whatever happen, NTUC fairprice stand still on their prices, the rest will follow. Therefore this alone allow Govt to control unreasonable inflation, fairprice is a price setter. Imagine if you dun have NTUC fairprice, all papa and mama shops will be rising their prices, and when prices goes up, hawker foods also goes up and so on..therefore we have to be thankful to NTUC for controlling the prices, they dun mind you buy from Sheng Siong or other cheaper shops, because NTUC is not a profit generated organisation, it got no shareholders to answer to, but only members, all profit by NTUC co-operatives are ploughed back to help the society, be it education at e2i, learning hub or spur, scholarship and bursary for the needed member, rebate of 5 dividends for members, transport voucher for those earning less, back to school voucher, NTUC vouchers, discount at flywheel, zoo, clubs, subsidize childcare, dental care etc etc are what NTUC had ploughed back to the society.
Finally, a layman on the street can buy insurance for him and his family, can shop at supermarket, can sent his kids to childcare, can care for his dental, can get upgraded and trained at a fraction of a price or even free, and more important, can get someone to talk to and represent him for any unfair employment practices.
Oh, there is one more purpose about NTUC fairprice, the objectives of openning more and more at various places is not just mend for selling goods, NTUC fairprice is also the ration/food points for Singaporeans when there is war or social unrest. Those food in NTUC is really to give out in case of emergency. Clear!
u are right... very right.. but u must be a old auntie now if u still know the old history of NTUC.... their original purpose is good... but... they are not doing it now...they are blood sucker now..
Originally posted by gasband:then its a business issue they need to resolve. no customers are sure to stay with you forever. Thats why there is competition. Whoever can provide the perceived value that customers need wins the customer's business. Fairprice and any other retailer chains have a business strategy. If you do see the kind of stores that Fairprice are opening up or converting, maybe that gives an idea of the strategy they are heading towards. Similarly with SS, the locations of their stores are part of their strategies too. And in all business sense, any consumers, suppliers or products that do not fit into that strategy does not matter to them.
dun need to explain why there's rarely gondola stands at Fairprice these days
Originally posted by sbst275:
dun need to explain why there's rarely gondola stands at Fairprice these days
haha ok you noticed.
dun be surprised if you end up see gondola stands at provision shops (those w/ space) these days
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
u are right... very right.. but u must be a old auntie now if u still know the old history of NTUC.... their original purpose is good... but... they are not doing it now...they are blood sucker now..
Huh??? me old auntie..wow! i want to be, but cannot, you know there is a kind of funny thing about human, when they are young, they want to be grown up adults, and when the had grown up, they wanted to go back to be young. So i wanted to be, as much as i dress to adulthood, people still call me Xiao mei mei...haiz!
a few years back, when i waiting for my O level results, a friend of mine asked me to join her for partime job at NTUC, my Dad also think that i should get more exposed in working life rather than seating at home, going out spending and be naughty. So, we decided to take on the job as a cashier, $5 per hour. We need to train at a Fairprice center in Fu luo Shu complex for about 3 days, at that moment, the facilitors taught us about the purpose and objectives of Fairprice and also its history, that is why i get to know, a social enterprise.
however, after 3 days, we went to Marine parade NTUC to work, which is also near our houses, but instead of being cashier, the Manager said i should be a promoter because of my sweet and pleasant looks, so i become selling from yorhurt to instant noodle, you name it, funnyhow, whatever i sell, lots of Uncles and guys bought it, aunties dun really bought it, so, for a few months there, i was quite famous, both as a sweet 16 gal for sg Uncles and a idol for sg Aunties to grumble about wherever their husband or bf talks to me. But i make good money, on top of that $5 per hour, i get commission for anything i managed to sell, and those products companies even wanted to engage me privately. Well, i have to continue my studies, too bad.
in every dispute, there's 2 sides to the story...
in this case, one complains of more competition, the other welcomes the competition as hopefully it leads to lower prices and better services...
as it is, being a consumer, i look forward to lower costs and fresher products, not forgetting the more variety to choose from around the world...
as it is, i think NTUC is improving its services, starting to open up 24 hrs......
try to get the residents' response and feedback to this new opening to report a balance view to it.....or are you going to harp on their complaints when they say that everything in their estate is so inconvenient and the prices are so high as they dont have a supermarket there to offer them freshness of meat, vegetables in economies of scale?
so next time, get a grip.....report both sides to the story...yeah?
the 24 hrs one is starting w/ small outlets
In a sense, they're forced to either lack of space to keep their goods placed outside and due to CS & SNS's 24 hrs outlets
but range of goods wise, they're lacking. There are reasons behind it but not approriate to type it here
Originally posted by skythewood:
bait your cock lah, bait, what is your motive in attacking me? why i can discuss nicely with EVERYBODY else, than you out of nowhere attack me and claim that I am baiting you?
What an asshole.
Giving you back your words.
Base on record you are, you are. I am not attacking, merely stating facts. OK, if you really show genuine interest for discussion then be it.
as for the profits
I think if everyone were to think of it, everyone would also face tis problem. It's only how one would handle it w/ rental, range of goods, targeted consumers and so on.
As for co-op, profits and charity. Well it's alrdy redundant, Dairy Farm also does community events.
due to CS & SNS's 24 hrs outlets
this is what i mean by competition.....which is welcomed by the consumers generally
but range of goods wise, they're lacking. There are reasons behind it but not approriate to type it here
then, let the consumers decide on that...if NTUC is lacking in that area....then let them die a natural death lah
NTUC fairprice is a social enterprise, and as co-operatives, they can never go global like Robinson, Giants or Carreflour, it is mend of domestic consumer only, if you think NTUC fairprice is big, i think you are wrong, it cannot compare with global giant such as Giants, Carrefour or Walmart etc etc. It is only in Singapore, you see it big and progressing.
If you spent a cents in any provision shops, the boss take your money, but if you spent in NTUC fairprice, it will plough back to the society or your single cent may help a poor child to buy a small note book or text book. Are you clear about that.
Now, if you spent a single cent in Takashimaya, Robinson, cold storage or Carrefour etc etc, you single cents move oversea to some foreign bank, and you will never see that cent again.
One of the main purpose why NTUC fairprice was set up so agressively is to hope that our people spent money is still within our land and not flow out into some rich shareholders of other countries ya.
Originally posted by angel7030:NTUC fairprice is a social enterprise, and as co-operatives, they can never go global like Robinson, Giants or Carreflour, it is mend of domestic consumer only, if you think NTUC fairprice is big, i think you are wrong, it cannot compare with global giant such as Giants, Carrefour or Walmart etc etc. It is only in Singapore, you see it big and progressing.
If you spent a cents in any provision shops, the boss take your money, but if you spent in NTUC fairprice, it will plough back to the society or your single cent may help a poor child to buy a small note book or text book. Are you clear about that.
Now, if you spent a single cent in Takashimaya, Robinson, cold storage or Carrefour etc etc, you single cents move oversea to some foreign bank, and you will never see that cent again.
One of the main purpose why NTUC fairprice was set up so agressively is to hope that our people spent money is still within our land and not flow out into some rich shareholders of other countries ya.
thing is, as the world evolves, ppl are either taking the money to improve on svs or goes to charity. It isn't just NTUC that does charity today.
As for overseas, they tried to enter PRC market many yrs back and failed.
Well, then why ppl in Hong Kong & ROC are ok w/ Wellcome and so on? Simply because at the end of the day, ppl still come in and invest in your city. They rent space, employ staff, somewhat continues source a proportion of goods w/ local suppliers, pay local taxes.
The money all goes to e govt, who is going to be willing to invest further? As I've mentioned in e long run, Singapore would lose it's attractiveness and tax collections will fall. Not to say abt problems feeding high wages for scholars or e minister unless they go print money.
Originally posted by sbst275:
thing is, as the world evolves, ppl are either taking the money to improve on svs or goes to charity. It isn't just NTUC that does charity today.As for overseas, they tried to enter PRC market many yrs back and failed.
Well, then why ppl in Hong Kong & ROC are ok w/ Wellcome and so on? Simply because at the end of the day, ppl still come in and invest in your city. They rent space, employ staff, somewhat continues source a proportion of goods w/ local suppliers, pay local taxes.
The money all goes to e govt, who is going to be willing to invest further? As I've mentioned in e long run, Singapore would lose it's attractiveness and tax collections will fall. Not to say abt problems feeding high wages for scholars or e minister unless they go print money.
It failed, because it is a social enterprise, and of course there many other insitution that help to finance the charity work in Singapore. eg are Sinda, merdaki and Chinese Chamber....etc etc.
People also come and invest in our city, so it is up to people of Singapore to see for themselves, spending and buying is one obligation, you want to buy what from where is your problem. I am just stating the facts. And whatever or whoever set up supermarket here will take NTUC price as a lead to sell and give a price tag to their products on the shelves.
Every countries got it own entrepreneurs or social enterprise for it citizens, but if they wanted to shop at a foreign owned supermarket, so be it, but they will compare the pricing with their local supermarket.
NTUC fairprice was never mend of the middle class and rich, but they still welcome them to shop, and funny part is that those poorer peoples are gathering and shopping at Cold storage and takashimaya for class and action, our rich are shopping at NTUC. Because to be rich, you need to be thrifty ya.
Originally posted by sbst275:
thing is, as the world evolves, ppl are either taking the money to improve on svs or goes to charity. It isn't just NTUC that does charity today.As for overseas, they tried to enter PRC market many yrs back and failed.
Well, then why ppl in Hong Kong & ROC are ok w/ Wellcome and so on? Simply because at the end of the day, ppl still come in and invest in your city. They rent space, employ staff, somewhat continues source a proportion of goods w/ local suppliers, pay local taxes.
The money all goes to e govt, who is going to be willing to invest further? As I've mentioned in e long run, Singapore would lose it's attractiveness and tax collections will fall. Not to say abt problems feeding high wages for scholars or e minister unless they go print money.
how much you paid for yur tax yearly??? compare that with a developed countries in the world, then you tell me, you are highest tax payer or others? Please lah, from the export of goods at PSA charging Gst already can fund alots of thing in Singapore liao. Wait for your small percentage or even free tax, singapore long gone liao
Originally posted by angel7030:It failed, because it is a social enterprise, and of course there many other insitution that help to finance the charity work in Singapore. eg are Sinda, merdaki and Chinese Chamber....etc etc.
People also come and invest in our city, so it is up to people of Singapore to see for themselves, spending and buying is one obligation, you want to buy what from where is your problem. I am just stating the facts. And whatever or whoever set up supermarket here will take NTUC price as a lead to sell and give a price tag to their products on the shelves.
Every countries got it own entrepreneurs or social enterprise for it citizens, but if they wanted to shop at a foreign owned supermarket, so be it, but they will compare the pricing with their local supermarket.
NTUC fairprice was never mend of the middle class and rich, but they still welcome them to shop, and funny part is that those poorer peoples are gathering and shopping at Cold storage and takashimaya for class and action, our rich are shopping at NTUC. Because to be rich, you need to be thrifty ya.
I think should be asking this, can the govt let go and Singapore be like Hong Kong and Taiwan, nuture real businessman?
I see e way youngsters run old biz, in no time it'll not do well simply because either inflexible or it's simply dun sound right.
you sure Cold Storage need to have class to shop? If not Hougang, Yishun, Sengkang town centre wun have them riaos
we started as a free trading port for goodness sake