Would you die for your religion (ie be a martyr)?
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Originally posted by alize:
God is not pleased by blood sacrifice. Not even of animals. Does he expect them? What makes you think he would expect you to die at the hands of a persecutor?
There are so many Biblical instances that you say should not be interpreted in dangerous ways eg OT tracts. What makes you think your interpretation of this matter is correct?
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No. Because we are humans and humans err. The fact that the discussion reaches this point is testament to man's ability to try and seek answers that cannot easily be answered.
So arent you glad you guys arent Christians ? lol. Don't need to think so much. Just do whatever your heart desires.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
No. Because we are humans and humans err. The fact that the discussion reaches this point is testament to man's ability to try and seek answers that cannot easily be answered.
So arent you glad you guys arent Christians ? lol. Don't need to think so much. Just do whatever your heart desires.
I'm envious of Christians who are able to believe without evaluating anything.
Just like BroInChrist. His belief flows so strongly from the statement that "god is the giver of life" that to him, it means at all times, and it is impossible for god to be the taker of life at other times, even though the two are not contradictory and can both be true. I wonder who he thinks started Noah's flood
He thinks god would rather a man sacrifice himself for faith instead of staying alive and performing good works to save more souls from hell.
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Like I said, before any christian here want to die for your God, please think about your family members and loved ones first.
I am sure God would also want you to go back home safely and not die for him/her recklessly.
I am sure if your God is kind and merciful, he/she will not insist you offer your life for him/her.
Thanks
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Originally posted by alize:
I'm envious of Christians who are able to believe without evaluating anything.
Just like BroInChrist. His belief flows so strongly from the statement that "god is the giver of life" that to him, it means at all times, and it is impossible for god to be the taker of life at other times, even though the two are not contradictory and can both be true. I wonder who he thinks started Noah's flood
He thinks god would rather a man sacrifice himself for faith instead of staying alive and performing good works to save more souls from hell.
Evaluating what you said about me, I can only reply "YOU ARE WRONG!"
Since when did I say that it is impossible for God to take life? You have clearly distorted my words.
You show me an example in the NT where believers recanted (or are taught to do so) in the face of persecution, even on pain of death, just so that they can go out and preach more, and I will consider to "recant" and suppress my faith so that I do not need to be harassed by nonbelievers here or be spoken ill of, maybe like what Aneslayer does.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Like I said, before any christian here want to die for your God, please think about your family members and loved ones first.
I am sure God would also want you to go back home safely and not die for him/her recklessly.
I am sure if your God is kind and merciful, he/she will not insist you offer your life for him/her.
Thanks
Basically you are asking believers to disregard Jesus' words in Matt 10:33.
Had believers acted like you the church would have died out before the first century was over. Hmmm.....maybe that's what you would have preferred to have happened, ya?
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Me: I do not challenge your claim that "God is the giver of life." Under the notion of creation, this is true. God can also be the taker of life without it being untrue. When it is time, he will take life.
You: I disagree with your last point. God IS the giver of life at ALL times. He upholds all of creation and sustains all life.
Me: Just like BroInChrist. His belief flows so strongly from the statement that "god is the giver of life" that to him, it means at all times, and it is impossible for god to be the taker of life at other times, even though the two are not contradictory and can both be true. I wonder who he thinks started Noah's flood
You: Since when did I say that it is impossible for God to take life? You have clearly distorted my words.
You: God's request to Abraham was unique and never demanded again of another, so your notion of fatal demonstration of faith is a moot point.
You: Have you heard of Saint Barbara? Barbara, the daughter of a rich pagan ... held true to her faith. Finally she was condemned to death by beheading.
You: Perhaps it just your choice of word "fatal demonstration" that I find uncomfortable.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Evaluating what you said about me, I can only reply "YOU ARE WRONG!"
Since when did I say that it is impossible for God to take life? You have clearly distorted my words.
You show me an example in the NT where believers recanted (or are taught to do so) in the face of persecution, even on pain of death, just so that they can go out and preach more, and I will consider to "recant" and suppress my faith so that I do not need to be harassed by nonbelievers here or be spoken ill of, maybe like what Aneslayer does.
You are free to do as you please.
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Originally posted by alize:
Me: I do not challenge your claim that "God is the giver of life." Under the notion of creation, this is true. God can also be the taker of life without it being untrue. When it is time, he will take life.
You: I disagree with your last point. God IS the giver of life at ALL times. He upholds all of creation and sustains all life.
Me: Just like BroInChrist. His belief flows so strongly from the statement that "god is the giver of life" that to him, it means at all times, and it is impossible for god to be the taker of life at other times, even though the two are not contradictory and can both be true. I wonder who he thinks started Noah's flood
You: Since when did I say that it is impossible for God to take life? You have clearly distorted my words.
You: God's request to Abraham was unique and never demanded again of another, so your notion of fatal demonstration of faith is a moot point.
You: Have you heard of Saint Barbara? Barbara, the daughter of a rich pagan ... held true to her faith. Finally she was condemned to death by beheading.
You: Perhaps it just your choice of word "fatal demonstration" that I find uncomfortable.
Re the giver of life issue, OK sorry that was my misunderstanding, my point was that God sustains all of life and is the Giver of life. Yes, what He gives He can also take.
Re the second point, as mentioned I did not like the word demonstration, it sounds like someone demonstrating a stunt and it proved fatal accidentally.
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What I do? Why invoke my name?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Basically you are asking believers to disregard Jesus' words in Matt 10:33.
Had believers acted like you the church would have died out before the first century was over. Hmmm.....maybe that's what you would have preferred to have happened, ya?
BIC
No ah.. in fact when I tell christians not to recklessly die for anything, I am approving of what the christian God always teaches - life is precious.
I don't know about the past as I was not there. But then again, people do die for wrong beliefs all throughout history, right?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
No ah.. in fact when I tell christians not to recklessly die for anything, I am approving of what the christian God always teaches - life is precious.
I don't know about the past as I was not there. But then again, people do die for wrong beliefs all throughout history, right?
So tell me, what do you do with the teaching of Jesus then, about not denying Him before men? Obey or disobey? Yes, life is precious. But Jesus also taught that a man can save his life and yet loses his soul. So what do you do with that teaching as well? Dump it?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
So tell me, what do you do with the teaching of Jesus then, about not denying Him before men? Obey or disobey? Yes, life is precious. But Jesus also taught that a man can save his life and yet loses his soul. So what do you do with that teaching as well? Dump it?
BIC
Huh.. You asking me why I ignore jesus' commandments? You yourself also ignore a lot of his commandments, from OT to NT.......
DO you want me to list all out?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
Huh.. You asking me why I ignore jesus' commandments? You yourself also ignore a lot of his commandments, from OT to NT.......
DO you want me to list all out?
Don't change the subject now.
I don't suggest you list out all the commands that you accuse me or other believers of ignoring. You don't wanna go there, unless you wish to expose yourself as really being ignorant of the how-tos of Bible interpretation and application.
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Twin love commandment....
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Don't change the subject now.
I don't suggest you list out all the commands that you accuse me or other believers of ignoring. You don't wanna go there, unless you wish to expose yourself as really being ignorant of the how-tos of Bible interpretation and application.
BIC
You are truly having double standards.
You have your set of "valid" reasons to ignore bible commandments and I cannot have my valid reasons for ignoring bible commandments?
Sheesh..How childish.
Wow its valid for you to ignore bible commandments but not for nonchristians. WHat? you have a special knowledge on the book ah?
Are you a gnostic?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
You are truly having double standards.
You have your set of "valid" reasons to ignore bible commandments and I cannot have my valid reasons for ignoring bible commandments?
Sheesh..How childish.
Wow its valid for you to ignore bible commandments but not for nonchristians. WHat? you have a special knowledge on the book ah?
Are you a gnostic?
In response to your false accusation, I am NOT ignoring the Bible commands. There's a world of difference between ignoring the Bible's commands and properly interpreting it and having a Biblical justification that the command was not meant to be universally held across time and space.
Were your reasons valid? I have showed how they were anything but valid!
Why would you say I am a gnostic? In what ways are my beliefs similar to the gnostics? Do you even know what gnosticism is?
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yeap.. we dunno and he knows :)
Save your breaths!!
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
yeap.. we dunno and he knows :)
Save your breaths!!
Actually you are right on this. People who are ignorant of Christianity should not even be trying to argue against it. Or at least they should take the time to REALLY find out what the Bible teaches. But most of the time they prefer to shoot first then talk later. Some just shoot first then take cover, talk also don't have.
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:) ppl who are ignorant of christianity vs ppl who you think are ignorant of christianity :)
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
:) ppl who are ignorant of christianity vs ppl who you think are ignorant of christianity :)
Fact is, I DID expose the ignorance of many here who tried to undermine the Christian faith. Tcmc is one of the main ones.
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Pot, meet kettle.
The only one underming the Christian faith is you, BIC... I'm sad that up to now you still fail to see your bigotry... repelling people away from Christ. Its the sick that needs caring... not the healthy.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Pot, meet kettle.
The only one underming the Christian faith is you, BIC... I'm sad that up to now you still fail to see your bigotry... repelling people away from Christ. Its the sick that needs caring... not the healthy.
Scapegoat fallacy spotted!
So if I am repelling people away from Christ, then how are you attracting people to Christ here? Duh.
http://creation.com/biblical-creation-impedes-evangelism-plus-yet-another-uninformed-atheist
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Define scapegoat fallacy... Im giving my opinion of you... Scape your head fallacy.... Any problem?
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Define scapegoat fallacy… Im giving my opinion of you… Scape your head fallacy….
Any problem?
Your fallacy list too short? I don't care for your opinion of me. Any problem?